Basically everything depends on there being another school shooter or something

[Leucosticte]

Whenever any anti-SJW ideology starts to get big, the SJWs find a way to shut it down. They get the Silicon Valley tech companies to pull the plug on the web hosting, or if content is hosted on some other site (WordPress, YouTube, etc.), they get it taken down from there, etc.

Then there's infrastructure like CloudFlare that has stopped doing business with The Daily Stormer and 8chan; only a few people seem to have the resources and know-how to get back on the clearweb and stay there after this type of stuff happens. If you're not getting DDoS'ed yet, to the point where it's hard to stay on the Internet, then you're probably not all that relevant yet. And, if you look at the example of sites like The Pirate Bay, Encyclopedia Dramatica, as well as those above-mentioned, it seems that you have to shuffle around a lot from domain to domain; my experience has been that it's hard to keep the community together with all these moves happening, if you're not a really well-known site.

The way to subvert the system is to create a newsworthy event that forces the media to cover it, or gives them an excuse to cover it (since they're looking for relevance too, and one way they find it is by covering dangerous, hateful killers or would-be killers).

So for example, DyRo's manifesto gets published or at least quoted from in the mass media, and it also gets analyzed by academics, whose work then gets published in journals, and cited as a reliable source on Wikipedia, etc. Basically it gets to a point where your enemy is doing your outreach for you, and making you seem cool and badass to dissidents.

Anyone can create a religion but to really get treated as important and serious enough to be worth paying attention to, you need someone(s) to actually die for the cause (which ideally will include some of the enemy).

Of course, this is going to lead to some crackdowns on guns, but who really cares. Yeah, they can say, "Oh, you can only have 10 rounds in your magazine," but that's still enough to do some damage. And a really serious shooter can probably go to a state with lax gun laws and get his high-capacity magazines there. DyRo bought his weaponry illegally, and so did Seung-Hui Cho.

 

[Admin]

I got a lot of attention due to founding r/transmaxxing

The personal cost of doing a terrorist attack is too high to the point where it's not really worth it. You end up killed, jailed for life or even worse locked in some psychiatric ward. You might be more likely to end up in a psych ward if your attack fails since then they can claim "he was psychotic" and it will not seem to ridiculous.

In the case of Breivik it was obvious he was competent since he was very effective and things worked out, in addition the victims would have been upset if he had declared insane and thus not viewed as responsible.

https://vintologi.com/threads/political-terrorism.270/

 

[Leucosticte]

I got a lot of attention due to founding r/transmaxxing

The personal cost of doing a terrorist attack is too high to the point where it's not really worth it. You end up killed, jailed for life or even worse locked in some psychiatric ward. You might be more likely to end up in a psych ward if your attack fails since then they can claim "he was psychotic" and it will not seem to ridiculous.

In the case of Breivik it was obvious he was competent since he was very effective and things worked out, in addition the victims would have been upset if he had declared insane and thus not viewed as responsible.

https://vintologi.com/threads/political-terrorism.270/

I knew a white separatist in prison who said Breivik was nuts (based on, e.g., his insisting on putting his fist in the air in court). Well duh, if you're starting a new movement, you're going to have some distinctive salute, as well as probably an insignia (DyRo has one of those; I can show it to you if you want although I'd have to dig up one of his old letters).

Basically everything's that involved in starting a new cult, new movement, etc. people will say is a sign that you're nuts.

 

[Oxblood]

people will say is a sign that you're nuts

This can be prevented. For example keeping a short manifesto, like the one from Mc.Veigh.

You just have to state your reasons in an expository way, like a small list.

 

[Oxblood]

There is a bigger problem. If your document is analyzed by professionals, then they may success in painting you as dumb, or ignorant. Your ideology will die with you once your plan is achieved, and you will not profit from the temporary attention given to you.

For example, Varg was described as a dumb idiot, journalists successfully painted him showing how dumb he was, how insane and illogical and flawed his writings were.

 

[Oxblood]

things worked out

In which way? Yes he successfully killed some people. But I don’t think that he achieved his master plan.

 

[Leucosticte]

This can be prevented. For example keeping a short manifesto, like the one from Mc.Veigh.

You just have to state your reasons in an expository way, like a small list.

McVeigh mostly just had a folder of stuff that was considered his manifesto. It wasn't one document.

When he went to court, he just said one prepared paragraph when it was time for him to speak, and that was it. DyRo was pretty much the same way, but it seemed like he spoke off the cuff for some reason.

 

[Oxblood]

Why to waste time drawing inspiration from the unsuccessful persons who attempted to use violence to achieve their objectives?

The only one who is worthy of our consideration is Kaczynski. Because fortunately for him, he was highIQ, he used mass spread ideas to build his own manifesto, by doing so he aligned with the ideas that were common in his times, avoiding strong criticism.

The debate about his case was about his mental sanity. He is discussed even in today’s times, proving he did something right.

 

[Leucosticte]

There is a bigger problem. If your document is analyzed by professionals, then they may success in painting you as dumb, or ignorant. Your ideology will die with you once your plan is achieved, and you will not profit from the temporary attention given to you.

For example, Varg was described as a dumb idiot, journalists successfully painted him showing how dumb he was, how insane and illogical and flawed his writings were.

I think starting a religion is the proper way to go about this. We've tried secular philosophies, like what Breivik put forth; while these guys have attracted some admiration, in the bigger picture, what they've done hasn't taken us as far as we'd like to go. People need to be able to say that they killed for the sake of their religion; the masses can understand that better and it doesn't sound so crazy, because they believe and do a lot of crazy stuff too for the sake of their invisible friend in the sky.

Satan worshipers, for example, are usually viewed as evil rather than crazy. Same with Islamic terrorists; they aren't viewed as crazy either. On the other hand, when I threatened the President and cited my secular philosophy as a motivation, people thought I was crazy.

The key aspect of organized religion is that it's organized. Yeah, religions can have schisms and splinter, but secular groups are even worse about that; they don't even have much cohesiveness to begin with. They also readily drop their more based beliefs and become cucked, because if they have any platform, it's usually written by committee; a religion, on the other hand, has a prophet or other cult leader, so as long as he's alive and doesn't cuck, the religion won't cuck. On the other hand, after he's gone, any deviations from his revelation may be considered as non-authoritative, so that's a further safeguard against cucking.

If it's not a religion, then it needs to be a quasi-religion, kind of like Objectivism, where the leader is regarded as having special insight that everyone else lacks. The followers need to have a really high regard for that leader and his/her wisdom, above that of anyone else who might criticize that person or try to tamper with their work in any way.

A religion can easily be restored to its former glory by true believers, until it passes its sell-by date, as Catholicism, the Orthodox church, and just about everything else has. They no longer provide a framework that's adequately relevant to modern times. The most they're useful for is as an inspiration for something new.

Vintologi, having been designed by someone who is involved in the incelosphere, is capable of being more cutting-edge. Eventually it too may become obsolete and have to be superseded by something else, but for right now, it's pretty good.

 

[Admin]

Vintologi, having been designed by someone who is involved in the incelosphere, is capable of being more cutting-edge. Eventually it too may become obsolete and have to be superseded by something else, but for right now, it's pretty good.

Vintologi will never become obsolete, it will keep improving with time and thus always stay on top. What is likely to happen is that vintologi splits into enominations allowing more people to join since it's easier to find something that suits you, over time old denominations of vintologi will become obsolete while new ones emerges.

 

[Leucosticte]

The personal cost of doing a terrorist attack is too high to the point where it's not really worth it.

Really, so if someone does a mass shooting and tells the public, "Vintologi is my bible" are you going to be like, "That doesn't represent who we are" or something? Kinda like how Sarge disavows ER, Minassian, St. Yogacel, etc.?

 

[Admin]

When we are small in numbers we will be forced to blend in the society and not be perceived as a hostile group. When our numbers is small the proper thing to do is to reproduce in massive numbers, there is no point in sanctifying ourselves like Breivik did.

https://vintologi.com/threads/darwinian-vintologi.1/#post-33

So far no government has taken action against vintologi (as far as i know) and it would be great to mostly keep it that way, most governments are weak and democratic and thus unlikely to take strong action against us.

 

[Leucosticte]

https://vintologi.com/threads/darwinian-vintologi.1/#post-33

So far no government has taken action against vintologi (as far as i know) and it would be great to mostly keep it that way, most governments are weak and democratic and thus unlikely to take strong action against us.

Yeah but if you get entangled with a chick (as often happens when you're trying to start a family), that's how you can end up with government action getting taken against you, as she accuses you of rape and whatnot. I actually have a court date on the 29th of next month, to try to tie up some loose ends from my divorce, where my ex accused me of rape and got my computer equipment seized for digital evidence (of an email allegedly mentioning the rape), and I'm still trying to get it back.

You know what happens when they seize your computer equipment; they go through all your stuff, and anything that wasn't encrypted is fair game for them to look through, and maybe start a separate investigation about, if there's anything that seems criminal about it.

Chicks are a pain. You're almost better off just going ER since then you go to prison and don't have to deal with chicks anymore. They can't give you a whole lot of drama if you're just sitting in a cell masturbating when the guard isn't looking, although I notice, there were still some female columnists talking shit about DyRo, saying death is too good for him and he needs to just rot in jail thinking about his insignificance. This one chick, Kathleen Parker, really has it in for him; just google her name in conjunction with him. She's always calling him a man-child, a loser among losers, etc.

Persecution isn't necessarily bad for a religion. But guys like Roosh can't take the heat; they run for cover when their persecution ramps up. Huh, I wonder what's Victor Pride's excuse? I blame Roosh's behavior on his being biracial, but I don't know anything about Victor Pride's ethnicity. Regardless, they both behaved in pretty much the same way (converting to Christianity and taking their game content off the Internet).

The road to success ain't easy, by the way. Not everything can be accomplished just by sitting at a computer typing words. There are gonna have to be some people who act "altruistically," sacrificing themselves for the greater good, and they may endure a lot of suffering. I certainly have.

 

[Admin]

Yeah but if you get entangled with a chick (as often happens when you're trying to start a family), that's how you can end up with government action getting taken against you, as she accuses you of rape and whatnot. I actually have a court date on the 29th of next month, to try to tie up some loose ends from my divorce, where my ex accused me of rape and got my computer equipment seized for digital evidence (of an email allegedly mentioning the rape), and I'm still trying to get it back.

You know what happens when they seize your computer equipment; they go through all your stuff, and anything that wasn't encrypted is fair game for them to look through, and maybe start a separate investigation about, if there's anything that seems criminal about it.

Is it possible that they are being hard on you due to your highly unpopular political beliefs?

You made yourself a target in a game where winning is almost impossible, there are simply to many ways in which the system can fuck you over.

But you do raise a point in if we should really accept being treated as badly by the government as the typical citizen, the obvious answer is of course no, we do need to take action to make sure we get preferential treatment, ideally we should control the government ourselves.

 

[Leucosticte]

Is it possible that they are being hard on you due to your highly unpopular political beliefs?

Yeah, that's quite possible; the document is probably buried somewhere in my stuff, but when I went to court awhile back, they used as justification for sealing the search warrant that my "victim" might be subject to harassment by the media due to my political beliefs that had been in the news, and they mentioned as one of those beliefs my thinking adults should be allowed to have sex with kids. So obviously they were looking for an excuse to put that information in front of the judge.